Cormyr and the Dalelands

Sorry, but clearly this needs to be reiterated time and time again.  This time, when a group of 6 mass log in and 2 of those people are DM's I feel a desire to remind everyone not to rush the server.

You should give it 10 - 20 seconds between joining the server.  To keep it stable.  This isn't just for you, but for the people that spend 45 minutes to an hour in a dungeon and then have you bum-rush it, and force them to lose all of their loot in the process.

So thanks for that, and please remember.  Don't rush the ___ damn event server.

Yeah, pretty much this.

This would just be annoying if we didn't lose -all- the loot from Asbaron. So yeah, 45 min dungeon run when people are already staying up late to get it done and have work the next day. On top of that we lose everything of value - with no compensation for it whatsoever - because people didn't exercise a little bit of patience and thoughtfulness.

Come on everyone.

While this is helpful knowledge for newer and older players alike, let's leave the hostile tone behind! There are staff members who are willing to sympathize and help you if this happens, because it happens to us all sometimes(even if we do train the event server properly, sometimes it still crashes).

Send a polite tell to the party in question next time, because I can't see any good coming from this thread.

If I saw the tone of this thread before I logged topside, I may have turned the other cheek. But let's keep helping each other responsibly.

Love you both, though.

Pretty much what Red Mage said.  I do not think anyone intended to crash the event server and/or ruin anyone's night. There are only a handful of players in CD history I can think of who would be that sort. And I would have turned a blind eye to this thread if I figured they were involved.

The gentle reminder is more than fair, obviously.

Love you guys, all the same. Please do not take this any other way. :-)

Sincerely,
Arya

It's not a hostile tone, it's a tone that evolves from sending a message to the party and basically being ignored.  And told they did wait, when they very clearly logged in all at once.  So, clearly that party isn't interested in listening or learning, so I felt a reminder was required.  I mean, I force parties I'm in to wait 10 - 15 seconds between letting someone enter.  We've yet to crash the event server, and some of our parties are 8 - 10 strong.

I suppose it's irrelevant to people until it happens to them.  Regardless, that's my opinion on the matter.

Pardon. Based on the first posts I did not get that piece about ignoring other players' requests. If there is deliberate ignoring other players' requests, then it most certainly needs consideration.  This is not an irrelevant situation at all, regardless of how it is addressed/has been addressed/etc. 

Regards,
Arya

Let me be clear.

This is in no way shape or form a "Rule."




It is a suggestion based on non-scientific experience that some have had. I cannot verify in any way that it is correct, or why for whatever reason the event server sometimes decides to toss its cookies when people hop over, nor can I verify why the 'main' server doesn't ever seem to do the same, because in the eyes of everything NWN-wise, they're pretty much the exact same thing.

Yes, I realize that you may be upset that you lost treasure from a dungeon run, but this sort of thing can, and will, happen. My power could cut out, or the server box could crash, or the instance could crash, for any number of reasons, so my suggestion is to learn to accept it and move on. Getting angry isn't going to help anyone, and is only going to cause more irritation and hostility, of which we already have far too much.

Now, if someone is deliberately causing server crashes for whatever reason? Yes, please bring it to the admins directly. Otherwise, please keep in mind that others are attempting to play in good faith, and treat them in that manner.

Because one thing that is a rule - Respect.

I should also clarify that making an angry, aggressive post is NOT the way to address behavior by your fellow players that you find problematic. Things like subject lines in all capitals, swearing (even mild swearing), or demanding action/change, are neither respectful, nor likely to get what you want - they're far more likely to provoke conflict, sow bad feelings, and generally incline people to not do what you're asking.

A much better way to approach it would be to do things like ask nicely, politely, and respectfully. Another suggestion is to not post when you're angry in the immediate aftermath, but to wait and take a breather before you post.

It may not be a scientific experience, but it's proven when you rush with 2 or more people to the event server it crashes.  I mean, I didn't write up a hypothesis and test it multiple times, but it's generally the majority of our experience.  So where spacing your party isn't a specific rule; respecting your fellow players by not crashing the event server when you feel the desire to bum rush into a dungeon should fall under the Respect rule.  This sort of thing will only happen when people aren't respecting the fact that there's a good chance you'll crash the event server when you transition a party too quickly.

Yeah, I gotta agree with Dom here, FW. 99.9%+ of the time, if multiple people jump onto the Event Server at the same time, it goes kaput. I think it's safe to say that rigorous scientific testing is not required to say this is a simple case of cause and effect. The "Why?" here is far, far less important than the "How?", and the "How?" is already known.

While I understand Dom's initial post comes off as highly aggressive, this is hardly uncommon knowledge, unless you're brand new to the server. I have yet, since my return and for quite some time before my last sabbatical, to be in a group that DIDN'T warn their members "Don't Rush the Transition!" or some variant thereof before entering any dungeon that led to the Event Server. Which means to me that people doing so are either oblivious to the warnings (which might be caused by playing while distracted by other things - some forgivable, like dealing with kids or unruly pets, and some less so, like tabbing out to browse the forums or chatting on some other conversation and not paying attention in-game) or outright ignoring them.

He's talking about my group, sorry about that.

I gave warning that there was a transition, but I didn't really elaborate on that other than just saying "// Transition", it was my fault for not explaining it further.

As one who was there and was the last one through the transition, I can tell you that we did indeed await a 10 count before hitting the transition. Now it may have appeared on your end that we were coming in at the same time. I can't vouch for why that is, but I can tell you from my end that it appeared  we each gave it enough time as I was the last one through the door.

Sorry that you got booted out at the end of Asbaron. I cant help that and it certainly wasn't intended. I can understand frustration. Sometimes shit just happens.

Also... please do not blaspheme... I really do not appreciate it. Thank you.

Oni

We had one newer player who may not have been aware of the meaning. Not your fault. We get used to everyone knowing. It happened. The new person is now aware. It wasn't intentional or done out of disrespect.

Oni

And no, my above statement isn't to place any blame on anyone that was in my party, I've made the same mistake in the past too on areas I -knew- had a transition, simply having forgotten about it temporarily.

Also, as onivel says though, maybe things just showed up differently on the event server and it was a random crash after attempting to bring in two full parties worth of players, I don't know.

What I do know is that we didn't mean to cause problems or start arguments.

Clearly enough time -wasn't- offered, since we crashed.  If it was, well the obvious is that it wouldn't have happened.  So the proof is in the pudding and my statement stands as is.

Also, hurray for onivel censorship 2014.

EDIT: For Edge.  <3

To be fair to his point, I recall a time when only two people, Kip and I, logged onto an event server. Even after waiting 15 seconds in between, ended up crashing the server and screwing things up for Nova, so what onivel said actually -does- happen some times. Generally though, if it was us who crashed the server by logging in too fast, the most I can say is sorry, we didn't mean it.

Which I appreciate, thank you.  

It's generally requested to keep profanity of all forms to a minimum on the forum, regardless. (Though that and the "no real-world politics or religion discussions/arguments on the forums" line have mysteriously vanished from the forum rules since the transfer to the new forum...) Can you guys either postpone this or take it to PMs before we end up with a big religion debate blowing up on the forum? Because that's what this is going to inevitably end to if we don't cut it off now. Please? Thanks.

On the subject at hand.

The basic situation is thus: multiple people entering the Event Server simultaneously or near-simultaneously results in a crash. This is, as far as we can ascertain without more involved testing, a fairly accurate assessment almost every time. If it is not easily-available public knowledge, it would be in our best interest to make sure that it is made such - post a (less hostilely-worded) announcement in the Player Information section of the forum, put it in a journal entry in-game (though I still think we're dealing with most people don't read those), put up a sign in the character-creation area, something. And keep up the habit of players (kindly) warning each other to keep the transitioning slow when entering dungeons.

Sometimes things will happen. Mister Murphy lives, after all. Maybe it's because two different groups entered about the same time, unaware of each other and headed for two separate dungeons but crossing servers at about the same moment. Maybe it's because the transitioning people were a little too quick on the draw. Maybe it's because the server just decided to have a brainfart for no particular reason. It happens. It's frustrating, it's irritating, but nine times (or more) out of ten it's not done with malicious intent, and there's only so far we can go blaming apathy or ignorance, especially if we take the above suggestion of making this information more easily available to everyone.

Take a break from game, if it gets to the point of frustration and you need some time to vent. Go kill things in another game, maybe, or take a walk, or watch a movie, or just beat up a pillow or something. Because while I understand the reasoning behind the aggressive tone, and the frustration of delivering this message for what feels like the bleventeenth time, it's not doing a whole lot of good if instead of delivering the intended information it just results in pissing people off.

I've definitely have had no shortage of times where I've or my party have crashed trying to log into the event server or have the entire server go down for a while only to try again and some of us go to the dungeon while some other go to the OOC portal area. Or at times have had people simply be unable to log into the event server because it crashes for only them repetitively. I'm talking a few dozen. It isn't rare for me at all. The server just appears to be more unstable than the main server for whatever wondrous reason for now. It's a lot better than it was when it started, but it can still be finicky.

But I mean, the party in question was immediately helped and only had to wait ten to twenty more minutes to receive said loot. I don't understand the persistence of posting.

Let me just be blunt that whatever sympathy I might have had, is utterly gone with the tone and approach that was taken here.

It's not a rule.

It's not GOING to be a rule.

Even if it WAS a rule, this is NOT how to address problems with it.

What is a rule, is the one about respect that's been repeated violated in the tone of this conversation, and my patience with it is gone.

If you have a problem with it, you can take it up with me directly.

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