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Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: Wittle Dreamer on May 22, 2015, 09:50 AM

Hey there,


Might be rather early to start poking suggestions but I could not help but notice at character creation that a few head options were either rather off or not really 'new' considering what is out there in some of the haks. I've been snooping about and came across these haks that I would like to suggest for integration:


neverwintervault.org/project/nwn1/model/more-asian-heads

(wonderful smooth and round heads)


neverwintervault.org/project/nwn1/hakpak/original-hakpak/kotor-heads

(The human models of this one)


neverwintervault.org/project/nwn1/hakpak/combined/arias-heads-override

(and more diversity here)


neverwintervault.org/project/nwn1/hakpak/original-hakpak/whitefall-heads

(and more...)



Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: thorien on May 22, 2015, 09:54 AM
Kotor heads are implemented as far as I know, or at least few of them.
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: Deleted on May 22, 2015, 11:17 AM
There are actually quite a few heads implemented.  Did you speak with the PC Appearance changer?
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: Wittle Dreamer on May 22, 2015, 11:32 AM
I have but a lot of them were invisible or the blocky type. Found only two that were rather smooth.
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: Vincent07 on May 22, 2015, 09:31 PM
On those packs:

1: Most Asian heads were omitted, as Cormyr is nowhere near Kara-Tur, where those features would be more prevalent.  That said, one or two of those look like heads we have.

2: We have all of those Kotor heads, sans the twi-lek, for obvious reasons.

3: We have all of those heads as well.

4: We appear to have most of the heads pictured here.  Or variations thereof.


Really, we have a lot of heads. It's actually a bit of a problem when I went to look at adding a few more, as the human female category is just about at its limit.  
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: Wittle Dreamer on May 23, 2015, 05:20 AM
I'll be checking out the new 3D modelling program I have in the coming weeks. Maybe I can make a few heads for CD.
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: thorien on May 23, 2015, 07:20 AM
Wow, you can do it? I have more than few ideas of weapons - I could send you some skeches. The question is (attention Admins), would it be possible to add them with next HAK update? Currently I have crossbow, bow, spear (lance skin), two handed sword (cleaver type, but not like Final Fantasy one, much more "legit"), few knives/daggers and more than few shield designs (I can help with texturing).
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: Edge on May 23, 2015, 08:25 AM
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I'll be checking out the new 3D modelling program I have in the coming weeks. Maybe I can make a few heads for CD.
Well, as Vincent said... we have a lot, and are running out of space for more. Unless you plan to limit the additions primarily to males and/or lesser used races like dwarves, gnomes, halflings, and half-orcs, there's really not a ton of space to add new ones.
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: Calabask on May 23, 2015, 04:38 PM
Maybe some of the newer heads are more high res and smoother? Might be able to rip them from haks and whatnot.
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: Arya on May 23, 2015, 08:29 PM
I honestly think other than a few heads for the elf and human females, we do not need anymore for them; maybe one or two from other servers that implemented the new heads, and that is it.  The male humanoids, and then the less represented races such as dwarves, gnomes, hin, and half-orcs...those definitely can use more heads. 

Sincerely,
Arya
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: trylobyte on May 25, 2015, 07:47 AM
We really do have a TON of heads.  The main thing is that there's only a few of them that are really popular, those being the nicer-looking 'generic' heads.  Especially notable with human/elven females, since while they have an overwhelming number of heads, they only have a few that people actually use.
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: Fire Wraith on May 25, 2015, 11:38 PM
I'd like to have better ones, myself. I've seen what can be done, and the old NWN ones are just... inferior, to be blunt. We don't have quite nearly the diversity of head use by PCs.  There's really only maybe 20-25 heads that see any regular use. Most are variants on a handful of heads. Some would never be used, ever.  Having more would be a good thing, I think.
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: Calabask on May 26, 2015, 09:51 AM
Well, if people want me to through on my hard hat and go diving into the Sinfar haks for the umpteenth for the eighty thousandth time, I can!
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: thorien on May 26, 2015, 09:58 AM
Yeah, give us walrus head, we need it now!
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: Wittle Dreamer on May 26, 2015, 10:43 AM
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Well, if people want me to through on my hard hat and go diving into the Sinfar haks for the umpteenth for the eighty thousandth time, I can!



Yeeees pls
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: Edge on May 26, 2015, 12:55 PM
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Really, we have a lot of heads. It's actually a bit of a problem when I went to look at adding a few more, as the human female category is just about at its limit.  

Guys, what part of this was unclear? Really.
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: thorien on May 26, 2015, 01:47 PM
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Really, we have a lot of heads. It's actually a bit of a problem when I went to look at adding a few more, as the human female category is just about at its limit.  
Guys, what part of this was unclear? Really.

Which pretty much leaves other categories open. Bunch of people would like to get new heads, so I see no problem over there.

Also, as FW stated, some of these head may be replaced with better quality ones.
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: suddenperihelion on May 26, 2015, 01:54 PM
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I'd like to have better ones, myself. I've seen what can be done, and the old NWN ones are just... inferior, to be blunt. We don't have quite nearly the diversity of head use by PCs.  There's really only maybe 20-25 heads that see any regular use. Most are variants on a handful of heads. Some would never be used, ever.  Having more would be a good thing, I think.
It sounds like even for human females, some of the inferior ones might be tweaked or improved a bit - the limit just means that in order to add something entirely new, you would have to take something out.
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: Calabask on May 26, 2015, 04:59 PM
Also, keep in mind, there are likely updated models of CD's head. How old are they? Eh, I'm willing to do the work. As much as I'd hate myself for doing it, I can do it. Hell, concievably, I could pull heads from the TSR Head haks. Just need to ask the last two Admins from it for permission!
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: Deleted on May 26, 2015, 05:06 PM
The other problem is, due to the age of the haks in question, "replacing" the heads will involve going through and matching them up, one by one, to our current ones.  Vincent explained that the effort involved (on the human heads side) currently does not have enough benefit given the other projects currently underway.
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: Fire Wraith on May 26, 2015, 11:52 PM
Oh, I did that already. The problem with a lot of the heads they're presently using is that they're doing some funky NWNX juju that doesn't translate directly.  They use custom color maps and sizing, so just copying and renaming the model gives you a blank (detextured) and mis-sized head.

Now, if someone wanted to do the work of taking that any making it usable in an environment like CD, I'd be fine with that, as long as it's not stealing someone else's work that was done specifically for Sinfar without permission, etc.
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: Fire Wraith on May 26, 2015, 11:53 PM
And as far as redoing the head haks, it's a lot easier than other haks, because there are no associated 2das to revamp.  We can update and do the head haks independently of the others, and I'm willing to go ahead and do that separately from the stuff Vincent is.
Title: Some head diversity!
Post by: Fire Wraith on May 27, 2015, 12:03 AM
I should also note that we do have some stuff in the works, for all the haks - but heads are something that can be updated separately. If you have new ones to add, get in touch with me and I'll see about having them added.  I actually did put in a bunch of new stuff, for a head hak for Vincent, but it's been sitting with the other updates. We could probably go ahead and put that in, once we've added any other heads people may have available.